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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 08:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If nothing else, this movie gets people to think and hopefully discuss what they really believe. I didn't think the movie was ALL good or ALL bad. It was complex... like life... like the world. Will's character was fallen, humans are fallen. Life is messy and painful and confusing. 

I think it's important to note that Ben's motivation for committing suicide shifted once he fell in love with Emily. Before he met her, he saw his "sacrifice" as merely penance for his "sin" and an end to his emotional anguish. He saw no value in his own life. He hated himself. He commented to Emily in regards to his life, "Unremarkable would be an upgrade."

Emily helps him see life beyond loss. And she helps him see his own worth. When he tells her that he hasn't been taking very good care of himself (due to his shame and self-hatred), she says, "You should start." Ben begins to envision life beyond his pain. He wants to live. He wants to be with Emily. Ben only follows through with his plan once he is convinced that he is Emily's only chance for survival. His motivation then shifts from self-hatred to sacrificial love. When he actually "does the deed" I don't believe he sees himself as "paying for his sins" any longer. This is not to say that I agree with his actions. However, sinful or not, he sacrificed himself for the woman he loved. 

"Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13 ASV. This was Jesus' exhortation to His disciples. I guess they weren't supposed to take it literally? What did Jesus mean by "lay down his life"? Was He merely encouraging them to be loving and selfless? I'm honestly not sure, and I'd like to hear your thoughts. 

Also, how would you respond to a man who took a bullet in the chest to save a friend? Or pregnant woman who chooses her baby's life over her own? Are these scenarios completely different, or do they hold some similarities? 

This all makes for some very interesting discussion. I don't completely agree with your review, but I appreciate your insight. It made me think. 

Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If nothing else, this movie gets people to think and hopefully discuss what they really believe. I didn&#8217;t think the movie was ALL good or ALL bad. It was complex&#8230; like life&#8230; like the world. Will&#8217;s character was fallen, humans are fallen. Life is messy and painful and confusing. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to note that Ben&#8217;s motivation for committing suicide shifted once he fell in love with Emily. Before he met her, he saw his &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; as merely penance for his &#8220;sin&#8221; and an end to his emotional anguish. He saw no value in his own life. He hated himself. He commented to Emily in regards to his life, &#8220;Unremarkable would be an upgrade.&#8221;</p>
<p>Emily helps him see life beyond loss. And she helps him see his own worth. When he tells her that he hasn&#8217;t been taking very good care of himself (due to his shame and self-hatred), she says, &#8220;You should start.&#8221; Ben begins to envision life beyond his pain. He wants to live. He wants to be with Emily. Ben only follows through with his plan once he is convinced that he is Emily&#8217;s only chance for survival. His motivation then shifts from self-hatred to sacrificial love. When he actually &#8220;does the deed&#8221; I don&#8217;t believe he sees himself as &#8220;paying for his sins&#8221; any longer. This is not to say that I agree with his actions. However, sinful or not, he sacrificed himself for the woman he loved. </p>
<p>&#8220;Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.&#8221; John 15:13 ASV. This was Jesus&#8217; exhortation to His disciples. I guess they weren&#8217;t supposed to take it literally? What did Jesus mean by &#8220;lay down his life&#8221;? Was He merely encouraging them to be loving and selfless? I&#8217;m honestly not sure, and I&#8217;d like to hear your thoughts. </p>
<p>Also, how would you respond to a man who took a bullet in the chest to save a friend? Or pregnant woman who chooses her baby&#8217;s life over her own? Are these scenarios completely different, or do they hold some similarities? </p>
<p>This all makes for some very interesting discussion. I don&#8217;t completely agree with your review, but I appreciate your insight. It made me think. </p>
<p>Take care.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by TYL3R</title>
		<link>http://blog.silentplanet.org/2008/12/17/seven-pounds-an-assault-on-the-foundation-of-judeo-christian-ethic/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>TYL3R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that 7 Pounds was a fantastic movie, and i disagree with this review. He couldn't live with his pain and knowing the pain he had caused others. First it started out that he just wanted to help out seven different people to make up for what he did, but than it turned into something much more. After he met the dying girl he fell in love with her and was not only sure that she deserved his heart, but that he was sure he wanted to go through with his plan. Very good movie and i loved it! Also, I wouldn't compare Smiths character to Jesus either, just a man doing what he felt was right, and as far as suicide goes, i don't agree with it but if he was going to do it anyways i think 7 Pounds was the way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that 7 Pounds was a fantastic movie, and i disagree with this review. He couldn&#8217;t live with his pain and knowing the pain he had caused others. First it started out that he just wanted to help out seven different people to make up for what he did, but than it turned into something much more. After he met the dying girl he fell in love with her and was not only sure that she deserved his heart, but that he was sure he wanted to go through with his plan. Very good movie and i loved it! Also, I wouldn&#8217;t compare Smiths character to Jesus either, just a man doing what he felt was right, and as far as suicide goes, i don&#8217;t agree with it but if he was going to do it anyways i think 7 Pounds was the way to go.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 09:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then what do you say to the choice of enlightenment.  When - and if - attained, the world of senses is left for a world of unity. this decision voids all flowers and leaves, birds and buildings.  Is this choice a mortal sin?  

I do believe suicide is a grave act that encompasses negativity, yet the portrayal of an "enlightenment of love" is depicted as Smith's reasoning for taking his life.  If Smith could no longer find the joy his body parts had once offered, why is it not righteous to offer them to others who could?  In this sense he is a martyr.  

In this case, the circumstances of Smith's life are relevant to his decision.  Much like every individual in existence.  Who carries the power to create such overarching judgements as you have done?  You excuse the mortally ill for you cannot understand their pain, yet insult those suffering from the degrees of emotional pain as if this pain is not real.  ("Of course there may be pathetic emotional excuses for the act.")  And still you argue that no man can ever have a righteous desire to die.  The choice of a parent to save his/her children.  The act of teachers in Columbine saving lives of students.  The will of Jesus to die for all of mankind.  Your argument classifies all of these situational suicides as undignified.  Do you believe only Jesus is a martyr?  

Avoiding Ad Hominem statements, I see fault in your argument in its framework of bipolarity.  Life is unique to all.  And all have their own decisions that are equally justified to yours or mine.  It is not for anyone to discriminate the acts of others, lest they be judged.  

Skeptics such as yourself and I may never agree, but I caution you that it is not wise to understand in only black and white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then what do you say to the choice of enlightenment.  When - and if - attained, the world of senses is left for a world of unity. this decision voids all flowers and leaves, birds and buildings.  Is this choice a mortal sin?  </p>
<p>I do believe suicide is a grave act that encompasses negativity, yet the portrayal of an &#8220;enlightenment of love&#8221; is depicted as Smith&#8217;s reasoning for taking his life.  If Smith could no longer find the joy his body parts had once offered, why is it not righteous to offer them to others who could?  In this sense he is a martyr.  </p>
<p>In this case, the circumstances of Smith&#8217;s life are relevant to his decision.  Much like every individual in existence.  Who carries the power to create such overarching judgements as you have done?  You excuse the mortally ill for you cannot understand their pain, yet insult those suffering from the degrees of emotional pain as if this pain is not real.  (&#8221;Of course there may be pathetic emotional excuses for the act.&#8221;)  And still you argue that no man can ever have a righteous desire to die.  The choice of a parent to save his/her children.  The act of teachers in Columbine saving lives of students.  The will of Jesus to die for all of mankind.  Your argument classifies all of these situational suicides as undignified.  Do you believe only Jesus is a martyr?  </p>
<p>Avoiding Ad Hominem statements, I see fault in your argument in its framework of bipolarity.  Life is unique to all.  And all have their own decisions that are equally justified to yours or mine.  It is not for anyone to discriminate the acts of others, lest they be judged.  </p>
<p>Skeptics such as yourself and I may never agree, but I caution you that it is not wise to understand in only black and white.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by Reuben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a horrible review.  You have no clue what you are talking about in defining this as an immoral movie.  Your stance on suicide comes clearly from a pathetic narcisist who knows neither the anguish of losing one close to you from it, or understanding it's reasoning.  Smith portrays the perfect Christ figure (who, like it or not...willingly allowed himself to be killed aka suicide) And if you do not see that, then you do not see Christ.  I pity you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a horrible review.  You have no clue what you are talking about in defining this as an immoral movie.  Your stance on suicide comes clearly from a pathetic narcisist who knows neither the anguish of losing one close to you from it, or understanding it&#8217;s reasoning.  Smith portrays the perfect Christ figure (who, like it or not&#8230;willingly allowed himself to be killed aka suicide) And if you do not see that, then you do not see Christ.  I pity you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by IVAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>IVAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 18:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suicide is the most evil act of a all.For this horrific act there is no excuse,repeat NO EXCUSE!!!Who don't understand this simple fact,he don't understand life at all.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You must be kidding, in a way you simply contradicted yourself halfway into your "well thought-out review". I quote: 

"His ultimate selfish act of suicide, we are emotionally manipulated to believe, was a heroic act because of what he did with all his worldly possessions (his body etc). This is bullshit. To understand why suicide is so morally reprehensible in almost every situation (I withhold judgment for people in egregious physical pain that can’t be alleviated- I don’t know what I’d do in that eventuality)."

In your parenthesis you state "egregious physical pain", but unless faced with a situation as Will Smith's character was emotionally faced with, you must (to look at the situation in a fair and unbiased manner) withhold judgment as you said you do "for people in... physical pain". The emotional state one can be put into can be as painful or even far more painful then any physical pain one could imagine.

I believe that either way, Smith's character could not emotionally handle living with himself for the rest of his life due to what he caused to his wife and those 6 other people. So instead of committing suicide to end the pain selfISHly, he instead committed suicide selfLESSly, by giving all of his material possessions away as well as his body to those he deemed genuinely good people.

Yes, you can make the argument that if he were to live he could do a lot more for a lot of people, but you don't know his emotional state he is in and if in fact he could suffer through each day picturing his wife everywhere he went and every time he closed his eyes, including those other 6 people he killed flashing into his head when he closed his eyes. Even more, he wouldn't be able to give the blind man sight,  his heart to the woman with a failing one, a kidney to the man who donated his time to the Hispanic youth, part of his liver to the woman who worked in Child Protective Services, his brother one of his lungs, his house to the abused Hispanic woman and her two kids, and lastly, bone marrow to a little boy.

Those are acts of ultimate selflessness, especially for someone who cant stand to live on this earth any longer with the pain and knowledge that he not only ruined his life, killed his wife, but killed 6 other people and devastated the lives of those peoples families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be kidding, in a way you simply contradicted yourself halfway into your &#8220;well thought-out review&#8221;. I quote: </p>
<p>&#8220;His ultimate selfish act of suicide, we are emotionally manipulated to believe, was a heroic act because of what he did with all his worldly possessions (his body etc). This is bullshit. To understand why suicide is so morally reprehensible in almost every situation (I withhold judgment for people in egregious physical pain that can’t be alleviated- I don’t know what I’d do in that eventuality).&#8221;</p>
<p>In your parenthesis you state &#8220;egregious physical pain&#8221;, but unless faced with a situation as Will Smith&#8217;s character was emotionally faced with, you must (to look at the situation in a fair and unbiased manner) withhold judgment as you said you do &#8220;for people in&#8230; physical pain&#8221;. The emotional state one can be put into can be as painful or even far more painful then any physical pain one could imagine.</p>
<p>I believe that either way, Smith&#8217;s character could not emotionally handle living with himself for the rest of his life due to what he caused to his wife and those 6 other people. So instead of committing suicide to end the pain selfISHly, he instead committed suicide selfLESSly, by giving all of his material possessions away as well as his body to those he deemed genuinely good people.</p>
<p>Yes, you can make the argument that if he were to live he could do a lot more for a lot of people, but you don&#8217;t know his emotional state he is in and if in fact he could suffer through each day picturing his wife everywhere he went and every time he closed his eyes, including those other 6 people he killed flashing into his head when he closed his eyes. Even more, he wouldn&#8217;t be able to give the blind man sight,  his heart to the woman with a failing one, a kidney to the man who donated his time to the Hispanic youth, part of his liver to the woman who worked in Child Protective Services, his brother one of his lungs, his house to the abused Hispanic woman and her two kids, and lastly, bone marrow to a little boy.</p>
<p>Those are acts of ultimate selflessness, especially for someone who cant stand to live on this earth any longer with the pain and knowledge that he not only ruined his life, killed his wife, but killed 6 other people and devastated the lives of those peoples families.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well thought-out review.  Selfishness disguised as heroism.  I don't think our society really knows what a hero is anymore.  

Did you like "The Dark Knight?"  I can't remember if we discussed this already, but I think a real hero was presented in this film in the character of Batman.  He continues to do what is right even though it is difficult and increasingly unpopular.  Anyway, time to leave for our trip.  Talk to you soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well thought-out review.  Selfishness disguised as heroism.  I don&#8217;t think our society really knows what a hero is anymore.  </p>
<p>Did you like &#8220;The Dark Knight?&#8221;  I can&#8217;t remember if we discussed this already, but I think a real hero was presented in this film in the character of Batman.  He continues to do what is right even though it is difficult and increasingly unpopular.  Anyway, time to leave for our trip.  Talk to you soon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seven Pounds: an assault on the foundation of Judeo-Christian ethic by Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do. It's probably in my top 5 films of 2008. It's very well done.

I simply feel that its message is one that needs to be addressed. And let me just say, if you don't think I'm relaxed about this, you obviously don't know me. I'm relaxed to a fault. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do. It&#8217;s probably in my top 5 films of 2008. It&#8217;s very well done.</p>
<p>I simply feel that its message is one that needs to be addressed. And let me just say, if you don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m relaxed about this, you obviously don&#8217;t know me. I&#8217;m relaxed to a fault. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<dc:creator>RCCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 13:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH PLEASE..... TAKE THE MOVIE FOR WHAT IT IS ENTERTAINMENT.  WAH, WAH, WAH.  YOU NEED TO RELAX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH PLEASE&#8230;.. TAKE THE MOVIE FOR WHAT IT IS ENTERTAINMENT.  WAH, WAH, WAH.  YOU NEED TO RELAX.</p>
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